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Topic: Obama & Hillary
Original topic created on Mon, April 21st, 2008 @ 8:45AM

We're nearing the brutal end of the Democratic presidential nominating process, and the subject of religion and how it might specifically impact the candidates, keeps rearing its (ugly?) head. Is this a good thing or not? Has the discussion been productive or thought-provoking in any way?

Posted on Sun, April 27th, 2008 @ 1:48PM by Stephen Lutz

"Christians in America care more about what Jesus would do than about what Jesus would think This accounts also for the wild politicization of religion. Obama, remember, champions mainly "the Social Gospel," and first entered the church in Chicago for the purpose of community organizing. But the Social Gospel is about benevolence, not transcendence; and there is no moral difference between the good works of believers and the good works of non-believers. May the world be improved by whoever can improve it! As for Obama's neoconservative critics; they are second to none, and close students of Machiavelli, in their insistence upon the usefulness of religion to society as an authority and a principle of order, and also upon its usefulness to their candidates. They, too, hunger for the benefits, and not for the mysteries."—Leon Wieseltier, The New Republic, May 7, 2008

Posted on Wed, May 14th, 2008 @ 10:36AM by Stephen Lutz

Concerning the controversy over Barack Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright:

"Barack obscured the true nature of black religious life because, to do otherwise, he would have had to answer the question, 'Why are you a member of a church that is this racially divisive and such a sharp aberration to how the rest of black people worship?' When Barack beautifully suggested that the beliefs pronounced from the pulpit of Trinity in Chicago are not uncommon, he was feeding us garbage. But Barack needed to protect his reputation as a race-healer and unifier, so he told a lie about black religious life to help keep the glow of his own reputation alive.

That so many people have a stake in ignoring these real concerns is troubling. At least the Hillary supporters I know seem to be aware of her more unsavory traits: that she carries a knife with her that she could pull out at any minute. Not so with Obama's fans. It's nearly impossible to get them to admit any wrong in him. Given the choice, I prefer to side with the group that knows their candidate can be a jerk, rather than the group that believes their candidate is Jesus."
—Cinque Henderson in The New Republic, May 28, 2008

Posted on Thu, June 5th, 2008 @ 3:55AM by Loran Kelley

I would say not voting for either of them seems to be the wisest move. On one hand we have a knife toting crazy woman who would have my own rights to self defense completely removed or a "Christian" (ha!) candidate with a Muslim name that, as you say, has no real track record, or predictability. I know that the race between the racist and the feminist is over (the racist won) but thats my 2 cents.